The Choices in Politic’s Prove the Damn Elections are Rigged!
No matter who gets in We Are Screwed!
10 Craziest Michelle Bachman Quotes!
1.“I don’t know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We’ve had an earthquake; we’ve had a hurricane. He said, ‘Are you going to start listening to me here?’ Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we’ve got to rein in the spending.” –Rep. Michele Bachmann, suggesting at a presidential campaign event in Florida that the 2011 East Coast earthquake and hurricane was a message from God (Aug. 2011)2. “Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, getting her John Waynes mixed up during an interview after launching her presidential campaign in Waterloo, Iowa, where she grew up. The beloved movie star John Wayne was born in Winterset, Iowa, three hours away. The John Wayne that Waterloo was home to is John Wayne Gacy, a notorious serial killer. (June 2011)3. “I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter.” –Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), on the HPV vaccine, Fox News interview, Sept. 12, 20114. “Why should I go and do something like that? But the Lord says, ‘Be submissive wives; you are to be submissive to your husbands.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, recalling in a 2006 speech at a Megachurch in Minneapolis that pursuing tax law wasn’t her choice, but she did so at the urging of her husband because she was certain God was speaking through him5. “I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?” -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, calling for a new McCarthyism, Oct. 20086. “I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I’m not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it’s an interesting coincidence.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak that happened when Gerald Ford, a Republican, was president, April 28, 20097. “Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 20098. “If we took away the minimum wage — if conceivably it was gone — we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level.” -Michele Bachmann, Jan. 20059. “But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States. … I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers who worked tirelessly — men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, botching American history while speaking at an Iowan’s for Tax Relief event in January 2011. The Founding Fathers did not work to end slavery, and John Quincy Adams was not one of the Founding Fathers.10. “Before we get started, let’s all say ‘Happy Birthday’ to Elvis Presley today.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, while campaigning for president in South Carolina on what was actually the anniversary of Elvis’s death, Aug. 16, 2011 (Elvis was born on January 8)10 Craziest Sarah Palin Quotes!
1. “As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border.” —Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska’s proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS’s Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008
2. “The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.” –-Sarah Palin, in a message posted on Facebook about Obama’s health care plan, Aug. 7, 20093. “All of ‘em, any of ‘em that have been in front of me over all these years.” —Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008
4. “Well, let’s see. There’s ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but” Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008
5. “‘Refudiate,’ ‘misunderestimate,’ ‘wee-wee’d up.’ English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!’” a Tweet sent by Sarah Palin in response to being ridiculed for inventing the word “refudiate,” proudly mistaking her illiteracy for literary genius, July 18, 20106. “He who warned, uh, the British that they weren’t gonna be takin’ away our arms, uh, by ringing those bells, and um, makin’ sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed.” Sarah Palin, botching the history of Paul Revere’s midnight ride, June 3, 20117. “But obviously, we’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies.” Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck’s radio show, Nov. 24, 20108. “Especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.” —Sarah Palin, defending her fiery campaign rhetoric in the wake of the Arizona shooting massacre by invoking a phrase (“blood libel”) that typically refers historically to the alleged murder of Christian babies by Jews, Jan. 12, 2011 9. “We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic?” Sarah Palin, admitting that her family used to get treatment in Canada’s single-payer health care system, despite having demonized such government-run programs as socialized medicine that will lead to death-panel-like rationing, March 6, 2010 10. “Ohh, good, thank you, yes.” Sarah Palin, after a notorious Canadian prank caller, posing as French President Nicolas Sarkozy, complimented her on the documentary about her life, Hustler’s “Nailin Paylin,” Nov. 1, 2008

The Choices in Politic’s Prove the Damn Elections are Rigged!

No matter who gets in We Are Screwed!

10 Craziest Michelle Bachman Quotes!

1.“I don’t know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We’ve had an earthquake; we’ve had a hurricane. He said, ‘Are you going to start listening to me here?’ Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we’ve got to rein in the spending.” –Rep. Michele Bachmann, suggesting at a presidential campaign event in Florida that the 2011 East Coast earthquake and hurricane was a message from God (Aug. 2011)

2. “Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, getting her John Waynes mixed up during an interview after launching her presidential campaign in Waterloo, Iowa, where she grew up. The beloved movie star John Wayne was born in Winterset, Iowa, three hours away. The John Wayne that Waterloo was home to is John Wayne Gacy, a notorious serial killer. (June 2011)

3. “I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter.” –Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), on the HPV vaccine, Fox News interview, Sept. 12, 2011

4. “Why should I go and do something like that? But the Lord says, ‘Be submissive wives; you are to be submissive to your husbands.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, recalling in a 2006 speech at a Megachurch in Minneapolis that pursuing tax law wasn’t her choice, but she did so at the urging of her husband because she was certain God was speaking through him

5. “I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?” -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, calling for a new McCarthyism, Oct. 2008

6. “I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I’m not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it’s an interesting coincidence.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak that happened when Gerald Ford, a Republican, was president, April 28, 2009

7. “Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009

8. “If we took away the minimum wage — if conceivably it was gone — we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level.” -Michele Bachmann, Jan. 2005

9. “But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States. … I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers who worked tirelessly — men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, botching American history while speaking at an Iowan’s for Tax Relief event in January 2011. The Founding Fathers did not work to end slavery, and John Quincy Adams was not one of the Founding Fathers.

10. “Before we get started, let’s all say ‘Happy Birthday’ to Elvis Presley today.” -Rep. Michele Bachmann, while campaigning for president in South Carolina on what was actually the anniversary of Elvis’s death, Aug. 16, 2011 (Elvis was born on January 8)

10 Craziest Sarah Palin Quotes!

1. “As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border.” —Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska’s proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS’s Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008

2. “The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.” –-Sarah Palin, in a message posted on Facebook about Obama’s health care plan, Aug. 7, 2009

3. “All of ‘em, any of ‘em that have been in front of me over all these years.” —Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

4. “Well, let’s see. There’s ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but” Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

5. “‘Refudiate,’ ‘misunderestimate,’ ‘wee-wee’d up.’ English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!’” a Tweet sent by Sarah Palin in response to being ridiculed for inventing the word “refudiate,” proudly mistaking her illiteracy for literary genius, July 18, 2010

6. “He who warned, uh, the British that they weren’t gonna be takin’ away our arms, uh, by ringing those bells, and um, makin’ sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed.” Sarah Palin, botching the history of Paul Revere’s midnight ride, June 3, 2011

7. “But obviously, we’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies.” Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck’s radio show, Nov. 24, 2010

8. “Especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.” —Sarah Palin, defending her fiery campaign rhetoric in the wake of the Arizona shooting massacre by invoking a phrase (“blood libel”) that typically refers historically to the alleged murder of Christian babies by Jews, Jan. 12, 2011 

9. “We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic?” Sarah Palin, admitting that her family used to get treatment in Canada’s single-payer health care system, despite having demonized such government-run programs as socialized medicine that will lead to death-panel-like rationing, March 6, 2010 

10. “Ohh, good, thank you, yes.” Sarah Palin, after a notorious Canadian prank caller, posing as French President Nicolas Sarkozy, complimented her on the documentary about her life, Hustler’s “Nailin Paylin,” Nov. 1, 2008

I Club Jesus
The Alternative to all of that I heart Jesus crap!
Screw Hearts Clubs are better!

I Club Jesus

The Alternative to all of that I heart Jesus crap!

Screw Hearts Clubs are better!

I’d say this about Sums it Up!

I’d say this about Sums it Up!

Atheist Morality vs Bible Morality

One of the biggest misconception that Christians have is that Atheists have no morals. This is just flat out not true. Atheists do have morals they just do not come from some ancient book written by ignorant people.

I know Christians would be sitting back and going ok where do Atheists get their morals? The idea that a persons moral code comes from themself is largely inaccurate. Although it is a collective process. For a society to function there must be a moral code of behavior that everyone agrees on.

This doesn’t mean that someone is going to come up to you and ask you if you agree that it is wrong to rape a child. Just like no one is going to come up and say is it ok to beat the shit out of your wife. Some things should be a given but to the Christian what normal people would see as being just common sense they need a magical deity with a nasty temper to tell them they not to do things.

After all based on Christian logic of, “We get our morals from the bible” This means they must think a wife is the property of her husband. After all that is the 10 Commandment. Oh what you never read that one. Here let me enlighten you.

Exodus 20: 17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that

is

thy neighbour’s.I understand Christians want to say this is about not coveting. However if you actually read it and think about what is being said this is a list of a man’s property.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors;

House

Wife

Manservant (Male Slave)

Maidservant (Female Slave)

Ox

Ass

OR ANYTHING THAT IS THY NEIGHBOR’SThat last makes it very clear that this is a list of a man’s Property and a wife as well as Slaves were listed as his property.

Which means Christians must view a wife as property as well as thinking Slavery is good moral behavior. Kind of makes one scratch their head as to why in hell anyone that is black would embrace Christianity. Didn’t they get enough of the Slavery stuff before the civil war?

For Atheists and Normal people who do not look to an ancient book written by ignorant people for their laws. The moral center comes from the society in which they live. Certain behaviors are acceptable and certain behaviors are not. The rules / laws have been clearly established and if you look at the percentages of people in prisons based on belief system Atheists are at the very very bottom at about .02%. What is also noticed if you look at the statistics of violent crime vs religious belief. The states with a lower religious belief also have a lower crime rate. This really blows massive holes in the Christian idea that Atheists are just Atheists because they want to be immoral and wicked people. The truth is Atheists are far less likely to engage in violent crime, spouce abuse or child abuse then Christians.

However let’s get back to examining some of that good bible morality.

Good Moral Bible Based Behavior!

Offering to hand ones virgin daughters over for a Gang Rape!

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

(This was said by Lot the only Righteous Man)

 Getting your father drunk and commiting incest!

Genesis 19:32 - 36 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. (Incest not just once but Twice!)

 Killing any child that curses their parents!

Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood

shall be

upon him. (So much for that commandment Thou Shalt not kill!)If a Virgin is raped she must marry her rapest!

Rape is Humbling a Woman!!

Deuteronomy 22:28 - 29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. (Rape is not a Crime but a way to get a wife!)

These are just a few examples of Bible Morality. Anyone that claims to get their morals from the Bible I must seriously question their morals!

mylifeandjesus:

My friend Mikel once told me, “I don’t understand why people don’t want to have anything to do with Jesus. He’s like the best we can ever have!”

You know what, i think i knew why. I used to be one of them.

Quite simply, we are running away from accountability.

If we will believe that there is…

 This is without a doubt the biggest load of bullshit that I ever saw from a Christian!  This is like saying the reason I don’t believe in Superman is i am running from his x ray vision or super speed. 

The fictional ideas in a story do not cause me to not believe the story is real.  It is reality that proves such fantasies are impossible.  As for your bible God that fictional being fits the profile of a sociopath.

The effect of this belief structure is clearly visible in how Christians have acted over the centuries and how they still act today.  Arrogant, closed minded & pushing their sick fantasies off on those who do not buy into the mental illness as if we are running from their sick delusion!

Original Sin

In this I am going straight at the heart of Christianity and completely pulling the rug out from under the religion. The entire basis of Christianity rests upon this story of the Original Sin. Without an original sin everything that is to follow makes utterly no sense and the human sacrifice of Jesus, also known, as the Salvation message is utterly pointless. It is for this reason that Christians will fight tooth and nail over this story of the original sin.

Before I get into this story I first want to cover the term Sin. The second and third chapters of Genesis are regarded as the Original Sin story. However one interesting thing to note is the word Sin does not appear until Genesis 4:7 and is not repeated again until Genesis 18:20. This would be like me writing a blog about You Tube but never mentioning You Tube in the blog. There would be no way for someone reading it to know that I am talking about You Tube since I do not mention it.

The first occurrence of the word Sin doesn’t even relate to the story to which it is attached. Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. The word Sin is the Hebrew word 2403 and means an offence and its penalty, an offender.

Note: it doesn’t give any indication as to applying to disobeying a deity. Only to what could be termed wrong behavior.

This is very important since this idea that Sin is an offence to a God is the core part of the Salvation message. Just to make sure I cover all aspects of the word Sin here are a list of the other words and when they first appear in the bible.

Sins - Leviticus 16:16 

Sinned - Exodus 9:27 

Sinner - Proverbs 11:31

Sinners - Genesis 13:13 

Sinning - Genesis 20:6

Sinneth - Numbers15:28 

Clearly the word Sin or any of its variations do not appear in the story, which is claimed to be where this entered the world. Which means this concept of Sin being directly connected to the actions of Adam & Eve is clearly a church message not one based on what is actually written in this story. This is just the beginning of the doctrine of Christian Churches not matching up with what is actually written.

It is also commonly taught that Adam & Eve ate an apple. This is exactly what Christians will say when talking about the original sin. They do not mention the names of the trees in this story because most of them do not know what the trees were called since that is not what is taught. The word Apple doesn’t appear in the bible until Deuteronomy 32:10. He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye. In this context (Christian’s love to try and say Atheists take things out of context) the word Apple is not referring to fruit of a tree but a part of the human eye. The Apple of the eye is the pupil of the eye. This is just one of many places where physical attributes are given to this Lord God.

One further thing I want to point out before actually getting into the details of this story is the original creation of man & woman is not with Adam & Eve but occurs in Genesis 1:27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Then in verse 29 we see the only commandment given by God to man & woman. Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Note: The God told them every herb bearing seed and every tree, which produces fruit, shall be food. Not every tree but one. A further note that can be made is the word Lord does not appear in Genesis 1:1 - 2:3. The word God is a general term, which can also mean the Gods while Lord is a specific name. That being Jehovah. All of this is important because a strong case can be made that Adam & Eve did nothing wrong. Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. All that would’ve mattered was that it was good for food and according to the God of Genesis 1:29 they could eat of it. That would also be the original God or creation God so any that would show up after and tell them any different wouldn’t be the real one and thus would not need to be obeyed. In fact obeying the Lord God would’ve been disobeying the God of Genesis 1:29. Either way there is no way to obey both since their commands contradict each other. If Christians want to try and say this is the same God then the problem of the commands contradicting each other still remains.

In Genesis 2:4 the Lord God makes his first appearance and immediately begins trying to take credit for what the God had done. Some call this a retelling of Creation however one thing that can be noted is all of the claims the Lord God makes relate to this planet. Not to space at all or the universe as a whole. While this doesn’t directly connect with the Original Sin story it is related to the beginnings of the Lord God.

Genesis 2:4 - 5 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

First thing I want to point out is the word Heavens because I know Christians will try and say, See, See it says Heavens so that means the universe. The word Heavens is the Hebrew word 8064 and means the sky. Second thing I want to point out is two lies told by the Lord God in Genesis 2:5.

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, (LIE)

Genesis 1:11- 12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  

In order for grass to grow, herbs & trees to produce anything there must be water. Even if you want to do the God can defy nature type of warped thinking it is specifically mentioned at the Grass, Herb & Plants grew so no matter how you slice it the Lord God lied. Then we have the second lie.

Genesis 2:5 and there was not a man to till the ground. (LIE)Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

This lie is so obvious I shouldn’t have to say this but I will if for nothing more then to rub it in the Christians nose. If the God of Genesis 1:27 created man & woman at the same time first of all it means males and females are Equal! So this male dominant bullshit that Judaism, Islam & Christianity are based on is pure bullshit! Secondly since male & female were around prior to the Lord God this means the Lord God is not the original one! Maybe just maybe this is Satan playing God if you want to use that metaphor. However I’ll let that rabbit hole alone for now and more on to what is called the Original Sin story.

The story of the Original Sin begins with the instruction from the Lord God in Genesis 2:16 - 17. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The first thing to note right off the bat the only one there is Adam. It isn’t until Genesis 2:21 - 22 that this Lord God creates the woman. After all she doesn’t deserve a name until after the shit hits the fan. The male got his name right away but not the woman.

Then we have the talking snake enter this story. Talking animals are something that occurs in the bible but we have never seen this actually occur in the real world. The most we have ever seen is Parrots mimicking what people say. However they do not ask questions only mimic what they have heard.

In Genesis 3 we hear the Serpent make 3 claims. Genesis 3:4 - 5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Claim 1: Ye shall not surely die

Claim 2: In the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened

Claim 3: Your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.While the Lord God had made only one claim.Claim 1: In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Clearly someone is lying here.The first claim, Ye shall not die. Is proven true since both used the term In The Day and In The Day they did not die.

Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened.

Genesis 3: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:Now to step back a second and look at this logically. Christians want to claim well Adam & Eve didn’t live over 1,000 years so since a day with God is a 1,000 years to man that means they died in that day. They want to say in this one case the day magically went from Earth days of Evening and Morning being a day to now it is 1,000 years. What they quote to try and say this is 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The fact that this wasn’t written for thousands of years after the fact to Christian’s doesn’t matter.

The Christian wants to presume two things with this story.

1. Adam & Eve willfully disobeyed the Lord God. (Some want to claim Eve was deceived while Adam knew it was wrong but took on Sin to protect Eve. This is because of 1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.)

2. Prior to the fall Adam & Eve were Immortal.

Both of these ideas are completely false and I will explain why using Logic & Reason.

Since the two trees were called the Knowledge of Good & Evil & The Tree of Life there are a few logical deductions which can be made about Adam & Eve.

1. Neither had the Knowledge of Good & Evil since if they already had this there would be no point in eating of a tree to which you already possessed the reward of. Without the ability to know Good from Evil there is no way to make a choice about either. It would mean Adam & Eve were just like the animals in nature.

No animal in nature makes a conscious choice about anything. For them everything is based on stimulus response. Add to this the concept of death is not something we are born with. A child doesn’t understand what death is until they see something dead. Typically this is a pet or an animal of some sort. Even then the first thought is that the pet or animal is sleeping. It is only after they see the dead animal and it is explained to them that the understanding of what death is can really begin to sink in. However explaining this is giving the child the knowledge of Good & Evil. Good & Evil are dualistic terms just like Life & Death, Right & Wrong, Up & Down and Black & White. Going back to what animals understand the concept of duality is beyond the comprehension of an animal.

The knowledge of Good & Evil is what gives us self-awareness, which leads directly into freewill. Since animals do not make a choice but respond to stimulus what they do can’t be called freewill since there is no conscious intent apart from the stimulus.

2. If Adam & Eve were immortal prior to eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil this means it would’ve been pointless for them to eat of the Tree of Life since they would’ve already possessed that trait. Notice in the story nothing was taken away from them it was only one of the two things were given to them.

Which means they could’ve been immortal but without the knowledge of

Good & Evil, which means they would’ve been like the animals in nature with the immortality. They wouldn’t have had freewill but only been responding to stimulus.

The other option was to have self-awareness and the ability to make freewill choices but to be mortal like everything else in nature. Considering the choices that existed what they did was not a fall but an evolution to a higher way of thought.

Then there is this idea that the knowledge of Good & Evil brought about knowing they were naked and that being naked or the awareness of this is some kind of sin. This would only be a problem if this Lord God wanted to keep Adam & Eve no different then animals in nature.

Animals in nature don’t have the perception that they are naked or that there is anything wrong with it. They live their entire lives completely naked and it is perfectly ok. Our being self-aware means we are conscious of our selves and others. Being naked is not a problem for a newborn child. The child could care less if they are running around naked. It is only after the parent conditions the child to you must wear clothing that this idea of being naked becomes part of the child’s awareness. This is why primitive tribes don’t have the issues of being naked that us in the developed world have.

One final note that can be made is there are no commandments given at this point so the idea that they were in violation of some law is impossible since no laws existed. It wasn’t until Moses that this God presented laws of any sort. Yet the lack of laws didn’t stop this Lord God from passing judgment twice and committing genocide twice. That however is something for a latter time.